Sun, Jun. 6th, 2010, 07:44 pm
What the shit is this on my computer screen?
, a quote from a DC Comics panel touching briefly on the recent tendency to fridge CoC to make more room for the white dudes. Ian Sattler helpfully corrects the error in such thinking
:"We don’t see it that way and strive very hard to have a diverse DCU. I mean, we have green, pink, and blue characters."
--------Crossposted from Dreamwidth, where there are comments.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:00 am (UTC)
"It's okay we're getting rid of the actual characters of color because we're keeping the metaphorical ones!"
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:22 am (UTC)
I am just glad they still have room in their universe for the pink skinned characters! Man, I was *worried* there.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
That's the sound of the point sailing clear over his head, pinging off into the distance... But yeah, I always love (read: loathe) how characters of fake!color, of no particular analog to real life PoC, are inevitably still treated better than characters of color whose ethnicities actually exist
in real life -_-
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
Maybe you should take a lesson from those blue people - *they* never complain when writers portray them as stereotypes, or misspell the name of their ethnic group, or carelessly colour them wrong, or kill however many they feel like!
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:16 am (UTC)
I really should, it's just so bizarre
, it's like these model PoC don't exist in reality or something... Like they're alien beings.
Only I guess that shouldn't stop me, a real-life person of color, from being likened to them. Suddenly I feel like I need to reevaluate my life! :O THANK YOU, Mister Sattler!
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
He is glad to help! And after all, what does diversity mean if not being open to appreciating the stories of people who are different than you!
F'ex, white people? We have some *awesome* stories you might like if you just gave them a chance! AND DC COMICS IS WILLING TO SHARE THEM WITH YOU! :D
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:46 am (UTC)
And really, it's not like I can go anywhere
in my country, in any movie theater or TV station or pick up just any comic book and find stories of said white people or anything! I daresay it'll be an exercise in experiencing the rarely told stories of the underdog! DC, such a pioneer :D
(Oh DCU, I still love ya, but very much in spite of so many things...)
Incidentally, I like how the spokesman used his dismissive Invoking Strangely Colored People tactic as a segue to wave off any of the icky shrill feminists in the audience/readerbase as well. "So this one thing you guys complain about? Nope. Just no. Also this other thing, that's a no too. You're wrong."
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)
a segue to wave off any of the icky shrill feminists in the audience/readerbase as well.
Yeah... I'm still not sure how to read that. Is it "And as analogy, our comics are full of gender! Just for instance, look at all the men! Thus the feminists who complain about lack of gender inclusion are *dumb*!"
Or is it "You know who else whines about stuff? FEMINISTS. You people complaining about the CoC situation don't want to be like FEMINISTS, do you?"
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:25 am (UTC)
And really, either way, his last set of comments is full of The Dumb. ..not like those that proceeded it weren't either, but y'know.
(Wow, FEMINISTS must be like the absolute bottom of the barrel as far as People Who Voice Concerns to DC Comics. Probably because those silly feminazis just haven't realized that they have nothing
to complain about because really, WOMEN are the ones with the real
power in the world, which is because now they get to choose when and who they have sex with and god I'm so grossed out that that's an actual opinion. An actual opinion from a guy in a Women's Studies class.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 03:55 am (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I can't hear him over the sound of me smashing my forehead against the wall.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:07 am (UTC)
Def. the more soothing option, here.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:02 am (UTC)
Is this like how Star Wars avoids the issue because the Rebels/Good Guys are totally pro-interspecies hijinx and the Imperials/Bad Guys keep trying to kill the other species, and therefore it doesn't matter that Lando is the only Black guy still alive in canon? (As I recall - and my personal canon stops with the end of the Young Jedi Knights books. There's nothing after that, hear me?)
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:22 am (UTC)
It is dangerous to have more than one black guy in space, because if they ever come into contact, it sets off a reaction similar to an antimatter explosion. That's why if anyone *does* wind up with a surplus somehow (poor planning?) they make sure to kill them off as fast as possible. In fact, it's good policy to do that even if you only have the one, just to be safe.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 08:30 am (UTC)
Do we have to show them this
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
Maybe we should print it on postcards and ship them in.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:11 pm (UTC)
I was in the panel - it was even worse than it was reported. Sattler is... he makes Didio look good.
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 06:07 am (UTC)
Oy. I am undecided whether I find that hard or way too easy to believe. *sigh*
You said that you don't want to talk about it, which I understand (it is headachey), but can I ask if you mean there were other, different fails in it, or that this fail was larger than's been reported?
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
I am just so frustrated with them. I love their characters SO MUCH but the comics are just... yeah. And the attitude of editorial doesn't help at all, or the creators. Sattler just came off as really dismissive, and every time someone brought up a serious issue he would go about how he couldn't believe it took a whole 37 minutes for someone to ask that question. He blew off my question (about why the sales of Wonder Woman DVD were affecting the chances of a Batgirl Year One movie based on the Bruce Timm interview) and then later referred to it as snarky, and he just was really dismissive and defensive and just kinda an asshole.nevermore999
(she asked the question about race) did a writeup of the DC Nation panel and the Sunday conversations panel I skipped because I'd dealt with enough rage for one convention, but both panels are very telling. Also, rage inducing and potentially triggery.
Thu, Jun. 10th, 2010 01:05 am (UTC)
I read nevermore999
's post and am even more full of WHAT than before. You know the answer to those uppity womens and their "talking" about social "justice"? Threats of violence.
I am doomed to love DC's characters *forever*, but I've been shedding books for years. And even in the few I do pick up there are bits I have to skip over because they pain me.Edited at 2010-06-10 01:05 am (UTC)
Fri, Jun. 11th, 2010 03:43 pm (UTC)
I've loved DC's characters for YEARS but they keep making it hard to support them. My pull list dropped from reading pretty much the whole line to... Batgirl, Tiny Titans, and Birds of Prey.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 04:26 pm (UTC)
Hey, you know who else he could have cited in defence of DC's diversitastic line-up? Egg-fu! Gosh, he missed a chance.
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 05:50 pm (UTC)
Why must you treat this as a big yoke, always cracking wise? It's like your brain is fried. Why should they have to scramble to appease eggstraneous members of their audience?
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 05:57 am (UTC)
Isn't Egg Fu one of the Great Ten? Or am I confused.
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 02:43 pm (UTC)
…are you fucking with me?
*looks it up in wikipedia*
*goes to drown herself in despair*
Mon, Jun. 7th, 2010 11:17 pm (UTC)
I don't follow much outside of...uhh...vaguely knowing what's happening in Bat-books, but aren't the Great Ten incredibly racist? I'm not going to give Mother of Champions a pass just because she's not Honorable 1940's Oriental With Broken Speech and "Comical" Buck Teeth.We get the same thing about how we treat our female characters.
And once again DC reminds me of their "Look, we gave you female characters, so quit whining and get back in the kitchen" policy.
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 05:55 am (UTC)
aren't the Great Ten incredibly racist
I know very little about them, but everything I *do* hear makes me think omg ew. so. Signs point to yes. :/
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 02:29 am (UTC)
Stay classy DC!
Tue, Jun. 8th, 2010 05:54 am (UTC)
They are at least staying class*ic*! (Class-ick?)